I’m super eager to stop fixing bugs and work on the next big feature – but the previous build had a really unfortunate bug, so here’s one more new build. I hope this build is solid, so I can stop focusing on bug-fixes and return my attention to implementing the game’s next core feature. Even if more bugs are discovered and reported over the next few days, I’ll probably avoid creating another build until the next feature is finished…unless a super-serious game-breaking bug is discovered that requires a new bug-fixing build ASAP.
To see a list of everything that is fixed in the latest build, scroll down past this super adorable illustration by summilly!
Fixes
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to be knocked out of the struggle minigame or delinquent minigame by being shoved by a student council member or delinquent during the minigames.
- Fixed bug that would cause a student council member to shove Yandere-chan instead of pepper spray her when she was caught holding a corpse.
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to dump a bucket of water off the school rooftop during situations when it shouldn’t be possible.
- Fixed bug that caused a delinquent to get stuck in the “turn off radio” state and the “fighting Yandere-chan state” simultaneously.
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to be able to push the dumpster during situations when it shouldn’t be available.
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to pick up a heavy weight during situations when it shouldn’t be possible.
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to play computer games during situations when it shouldn’t be possible.
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to flick a lit match during situations when it shouldn’t be possible.
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to tutor a suitor during situations when it shouldn’t be possible.
- Fixed bug that allowed Yandere-chan to prepare food during situations when it shouldn’t be possible.
- Fixed bug that made it impossible to speak to the placeholder club leader in the Photography Club.
Yandere Simulator Development Blog 
Keep going Yandere Dev!
Your doing great Yandere Dev.
Ben cokkkkk seviyorum yandere simlator ancak bende kasıyor
Nice one YandereDev, i have a question will you add some type of new gender like gay, lesbian, and transgender?
agreed
Transgender isn’t a gender though
They are called “sexualities”.
Gay and lesbian aren’t genders.. It’s called “sexuality”
1.) Those aren’t genders
2.) It wouldn’t fit the narrative
3.) Since this is a game with anime tropes and such tropes aren’t that widespread
4.) Adding such would add extra work for very little gain since those kinds of people are a very small minority
5.) Yandere Simulator does not need the controversy surrounding that considering the current cllimate
6.) He has already stated that he wouldn’t do it for various reasons
7.) Just….. why? What would it add to the game?
8.) If you really want a different perspective I say he goes for the Persona 3 approach of making a narrative completely from Yandere-kuns side. It would be more work true but unlike point #4 it would add a whole lot more value to the game. Here’s hoping he’s a stretch goal and that we make it since he’s kinda hot 🙂
9.) Like many things suggested before it just doesn’t seem necessary. Take it from me I’ve been suggesting writing things on the wall with blood as an alternative to cleaning it up and giving a slight chance for NPC’s to survive Yandere-chans attacks as an added difficulty feature but such wouldn’t really be necessary per se to the game
Conclusion: We don’t need it, it wouldn’t do much, and the return for the game is little while the “risk” is greater
Actually yes they are. There are multiple LGBT characters in anime such as Sailor Neptune and Uranus from sailor moon. There’s even entire genres of anime dedicated to Lesbian (yuri and shoujo ai) Gay (yaoi shounen ai) and trans (gender bender) people. Secondly why is it difficult to add gay characters? The only difference is that they like the same gender. Third the game is already planned to allow the player to have a female senpai with female rivals and yandere-chan.
Wow dude no need for such a text. He said on reddit recently that if he ever added a gay or lesbian character to the game it wouldn’t be called a big new feature, instead you would know it by making a character follow you and see if he/she blushes at sight of a person of the same gender with characteristics they like.
+Sarah Ali
1.) Now compare that to the number of animes out there that don’t have them and my point about it being a minority is still correct.
2.) Why is it difficult? Yandere-sim is narrative heavy and if we started opening that can of worms and knowing Yandere-Dev’s high standards it would add time to the game where it is not needed since he would have to add more dialogue, get more animations, code more stuff and etc for what? Two dudes making out to please less then 1% of the population of which not even half are gonna buy the game anyway?
3.) The game HAS a planned female senpai BUT it also has a planned Yandere-kun. The kickstarter will decide their fate
Like I said: extra work for very little return and increased risk.
+Chique says:
No need for what? I insulted nobody, kept my manners, presented my point logically. What can’t I say?
Also, his responses on the issue are vague at best though I’m betting he won’t because of my previously stated reasons
I don’t see why it would need so much changes, the animations are the same, the code is the same, just enter that the crush of some boy is another boy. It requires at maximum three new lignes of dialogues (because it’s really easy to make most of them neutral) and side characters aren’t meant to have a lot of speech option anyway. Also 1% of the population ? I’m pretty sure that way more of 1% of the game’s fanbase is pro-LGBT.
If by “the current climate” you mean “people whining about how they’re uncomfy when other people don’t fit into narrow categories”, that’s exactly why we need this sort of thing. Because whenever everyone brings it up, the response is “What benefit would it REALLY have to acknowledge the existence of people outside the really IMPORTANT categories?”.
I can tell you and all others here that I’m gay, and I really do not mind if LGBT students are in the game or not. This game is about being a vicious stalker with no limits in achieving her goals. Adding LGBT characters for no reason other than just feeling okay emotionally is really not important.
If it were part of some sort of mechanic then okay, but if it’s just for aesthetics and trying to make sure absolutely everyone is included, it muddies the point of the game, which is supposed to be being a stalker.
@Alexane Rose,
You’re just a nasty homophobe. I was actually hoping he would add in those things.
But In all honesty, You’re a nasty homophobe. I’m gay, you know.
+chaoseed
““If by “the current climate” you mean “people whining about how they’re uncomfy when other people don’t fit into narrow categories”, that’s exactly why we need this sort of thing. Because whenever everyone brings it up, the response is “What benefit would it REALLY have to acknowledge the existence of people outside the really IMPORTANT categories?”. ”
It’s not about being comfy it about piratical necessity. Ask yourself without the emotions and bias: Why does a game about the story of a PSYCHOTIC KILLER at best or a sociopath at worst need LGBT characters in them? That’s like putting fighting game mechanics in an FPS. It would be an interesting idea but other then gimmicks and in this case politics what would it do for the game?
Let em tell you : nothing. The fact you’ even bring it up proves that the climate of political correctness is why Yandere-dev should best avoid it.
+Salsamama32
This is homophobic = I want all LGBT people to die because they’re freaks. Oh wait, they’re already doing that LOL
This is not homophobic = What does adding LGBT benefit a narrative heavy game about a serial killer/psychopath in a Japanese anime highschool life game?
Conclusion: whether you are gay or not for whatever reason please learn to read points ESPECIALLY when they are already numbered.
We don’t need that type of personality in yandere simulator. It’s not that I’m against it or anything, it’s that what are the benefits for adding “sexualities” to the game? Nothing, if your gonna ask if the benefit is that it can be a rival or something…Then that’s just gonna add more time to the game.
(also YandereDev doesn’t want any suggestions, unless if everyone is complaining about it.. but I’m NOT encouraging everyone to whine about adding those types in the game )
YandereDev is hoping to add the possibility of making Senpai female… so there’s that. That would make Yandere-Chan and the Rivals Lesbian?
@Alicia Pegram
YandereDev stated that the rivals would be bisexual, including Yandere-Chan. I’m not quite sure if Yan-Chan would turn to a boy, seen as the Yandere-Kun mode is only an easter egg.
+Alicia Pegram
Yes but note: hoping. It would be extra work and dependent on the kickstarter.
+Jamellah
He said something similar way back though he might have changed his mind considering the scope of the project and the current political climate
+Apple Popple13
You’re absolutely right Monika. It’s just like adding black characters or a queer person in every movie. Is it really necessary and conducive to the plot? What would it give?
Also, screw you for deleting Yuri though I’m putting you on the number 1 spot with her
+Alexane Rose
💚 Just Monika 💚
YandereDev has said that there will be NO lgbtq+ characters because in Japanese schools being lgbtq+ is forbidden
@Alexane Rose
This view is problematic because it sort of implies that queer and black characters should only exist specifically to entertain straight and white people and thus reduces those groups to mere plot devices. Nobody ever complains when a character is given a specific eye or hair color for no reason, why should people complain when a character is given a character trait such as ethnic background or minority sexual orientation for no reason? It might not add to the story, but it doesn’t detract from it either. And depending on the context, having some diversity can actually add to the realism of the situation since one generally doesn’t interact with just one type of person on a regular basis.
@MermaidMerena Your actually… WRONG. Yandere Dev did NOT say anything about forbiding lgbtq in japan. So CLEARLLYY! your just homophobic… YOU PIECE A SH–
+Rick Zero
“This view is problematic because it sort of implies that queer and black characters should only exist specifically to entertain straight and white people and thus reduces those groups to mere plot devices.”
The same could be said for stereotypes of men and women in games. Heck anime tropes exist for a reason. It’s not reducing them it’s them fitting into the context of the game.Imagine adding a magical girl to a sci-fi setting. It’s neat but dies it make sense for the context, the story, or just the theme?
“Nobody ever complains when a character is given a specific eye or hair color for no reason, why should people complain when a character is given a character trait such as ethnic background or minority sexual orientation for no reason?”
Because the former is aesthetic while the latter has caused political controversy and is it’s own powder keg these days. I’d say we should care alot
” It might not add to the story, but it doesn’t detract from it either. And depending on the context, having some diversity can actually add to the realism of the situation since one generally doesn’t interact with just one type of person on a regular basis.”
True but it takes away time from development and considering Yandere-Dev’s high standards (that’s why the game is so awesome but why it’s also taking so long) that’s time we can’t afford to waste. See his “stop posting stupid emails ” video, his work hour schedule video, and the fact that 2020 is the most optimistic date out there. Delays are the last thing we need
As for your last point: Not every game has to be diverse and the realism is: Japan (of which this is kinda based on) isn’t “diverse” like the States
@Alexane Rose
I should clarify that my comments are on the principles involved and not YandereSim specifically.
“The same could be said for stereotypes of men and women in games.”
It could to a degree. But there is a difference between the issues of a group appearing in many different capacities but being stereotyped occasionally on one hand, or the group not being included at all because the majority doesn’t want them to appear unless absolutely necessary on the other (which is what I was concerned about in my previous post).
“It’s not reducing them it’s them fitting into the context of the game.Imagine adding a magical girl to a sci-fi setting. It’s neat but dies it make sense for the context, the story, or just the theme?”
Yes, but you’re using a false analogy. A magical girl appearing in sci-fi would be unusual because those are two types of fiction that rarely blend. Leaving aside ethnicity, LGBT people are everywhere in real life. If you want statistics, estimates of the proportion of the population who are open about being gay or bisexual vary around 3%, much higher in some urban areas (e.g. see the wikipedia article on “Demographics of sexual orientation” which lists quite a few large surveys). You would expect a queer person or two every time you randomly sample a group of 50-100 people. Thus unless the cast of characters is small or the story takes place in a fantasy universe where LGBT people are explicitly not a thing (e.g. because everyone is a sexless robot after an apocalypse wiped out humanity) exclusion of queer people is odd in the abstract.
“Because the former is aesthetic while the latter has caused political controversy and is it’s own powder keg these days. I’d say we should care alot”
I’m not denying controversy about this happens, I’m saying the controversy is nonsensical.
“True but it takes away time from development and considering Yandere-Dev’s high standards (that’s why the game is so awesome but why it’s also taking so long) that’s time we can’t afford to waste. See his “stop posting stupid emails ” video, his work hour schedule video, and the fact that 2020 is the most optimistic date out there. Delays are the last thing we need”
As stated above I’m not really talking about this game in particular.
“As for your last point: Not every game has to be diverse and the realism is: Japan (of which this is kinda based on) isn’t “diverse” like the States.”
Yes, Japan is ethnically homogeneous (give or take a few foreign employees, the Korean ethnic minority and Ainu indigenous people), but there are LGBT people (including closeted high school students if you want an example relevant to the game).
+Rick Zero
“I should clarify that my comments are on the principles involved and not YandereSim specifically. It could to a degree. But there is a difference between the issues of a group appearing in many different capacities but being stereotyped occasionally on one hand, or the group not being included at all because the majority doesn’t want them to appear unless absolutely necessary on the other (which is what I was concerned about in my previous post).”
So you wanna argue principles then? Well at least I know the conversation isn’t gonna be about Yandere sim for the most part. Now as for representation let’s take your logic and apply it here: Yandere sim is about a psychotic girl acting in an anti-social way to-acquire a boy who is the object of her affection. Does that mean this game is representing all mentally sick people moreso since you are said sick person? If it was then it would be a problem since it’s promoting said behavior (the goal of the game is to win not to change). The thing is, it isn’t since this IS a game of “stereotypes” (look at the gag names such as Oka Ruto, Kuudere, Saky Basu, and etc) and you are playing a sterotype. See the problem with you wanting representation for the sake of it?
“Yes, but you’re using a false analogy. A magical girl appearing in sci-fi would be unusual because those are two types of fiction that rarely blend. Leaving aside ethnicity, LGBT people are everywhere in real life. If you want statistics, estimates of the proportion of the population who are open about being gay or bisexual vary around 3%, much higher in some urban areas (e.g. see the wikipedia article on “Demographics of sexual orientation” which lists quite a few large surveys). You would expect a queer person or two every time you randomly sample a group of 50-100 people. Thus unless the cast of characters is small or the story takes place in a fantasy universe where LGBT people are explicitly not a thing (e.g. because everyone is a sexless robot after an apocalypse wiped out humanity) exclusion of queer people is odd in the abstract”
Which still translates to less then 1% of the population. Yes they are “everywhere” but not as everywhere as most normal people and the traits attributed to said normal people. Heck even the media would portray them as everywhere when in reality they are more likely in the really big cities and even then they are few comapred to the population there. Even in anime the occasional Yaoi and Yuir is minuscule when you compare it to the “offbrand” anime that’s about…well… “regular relationships” is a tentacle with a girl is considered regular. With just a queer person or two for every 1000 people (remember the numbers in all countries show that the LGBT population is never double digits so my estimation is generous) it might as well be a magical girl in a sci-fi setting. Neat bit highly unlikely.
“I’m not denying controversy about this happens, I’m saying the controversy is nonsensical.”
So is adding LGBT characters to this game just because SJW sensibilities. The fact is we don’t need any kind of controvery for this game. We need to launch great. Why take the chance of dding something political (don’t lie this issue and many issues are political these days) when you can take no chance at all?
“As stated above I’m not really talking about this game in particular.”
Then why do people bother asking him to add time TO THE GAME DEVELOPMENT by asking him to add LGBT charters to the game if it’s not about the game? Just why? What would it do?
“Yes, Japan is ethnically homogeneous (give or take a few foreign employees, the Korean ethnic minority and Ainu indigenous people), but there are LGBT people (including closeted high school students if you want an example relevant to the game).”
Ahhh and there in lies your answer: they are CLOSETED which mean we wouldn’t know which means they are as good as not being in the game. I know they exist, heck even Tokyo had an LGBT Pride parade (which was more respectable and simple compared to what we have in America these days which is…uhh…eww…) but that was like… what… 100 people at best? In New York there are 500-ish people at most. Japan is homogeneous but they are not as “diverse” as America is or even as diverse as how America does it and since this game is BASED on the Japanese culture (pop culture since this is anime) then putting LGBT characters for the sake of it just doesn’t make much sense while is a potential powder keg at worse or would leave a bad taste at best
You wanna argue principle that all good but from a game perspective of which we are discussing here what would it do?
@Alexane Rose
“So you wanna argue principles then? Well at least I know the conversation isn’t gonna be about Yandere sim for the most part. Now as for representation let’s take your logic and apply it here: Yandere sim is about a psychotic girl acting in an anti-social way to-acquire a boy who is the object of her affection. Does that mean this game is representing all mentally sick people moreso since you are said sick person? If it was then it would be a problem since it’s promoting said behavior (the goal of the game is to win not to change). The thing is, it isn’t since this IS a game of “stereotypes” (look at the gag names such as Oka Ruto, Kuudere, Saky Basu, and etc) and you are playing a sterotype. See the problem with you wanting representation for the sake of it?”
Once again, I was not referring YandereSim. But if you insist. 1) The game has stereotypes, tropes and meme characters, but not every single character seems to be. 2) Even so, no single person, fictional or real, could be representative of every group they are a part of. But that is a different issue to members of the group appearing. Representation is primarily about visibility, rather than about generalizability. If you want it to be a stereotype why not include tropes from the yaoi or yuri that you mentioned?
“Which still translates to less then 1% of the population. Yes they are “everywhere” but not as everywhere as most normal people and the traits attributed to said normal people. Heck even the media would portray them as everywhere when in reality they are more likely in the really big cities and even then they are few comapred to the population there. Even in anime the occasional Yaoi and Yuir is minuscule when you compare it to the “offbrand” anime that’s about…well… “regular relationships” is a tentacle with a girl is considered regular. With just a queer person or two for every 1000 people (remember the numbers in all countries show that the LGBT population is never double digits so my estimation is generous) it might as well be a magical girl in a sci-fi setting. Neat bit highly unlikely.”
Your math seems a bit off. 3%>1%. Three percent translates to one in every 33 people. As a heads up, one could see your use of the term “normal” rather “typical” as homophobic. And saying it approaches double digits anywhere is an overemphasis. No whole country has double-digits queer identifying people, but if you checked the article I mentioned previously you would have seen Boston, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Seattle and San Francisco all have populations that are more than 10% LGB.
“So is adding LGBT characters to this game just because SJW sensibilities. The fact is we don’t need any kind of controvery for this game. We need to launch great. Why take the chance of dding something political (don’t lie this issue and many issues are political these days) when you can take no chance at all?”
It is my personal opinion that every and all decisions can be seen through a political lens, if one wants to. But more importantly I think that doing nothing and not including groups is in general a statement in itself, it is, in fact taking a side through inaction. But once again I took issue not with the game, but with your view.
“Then why do people bother asking him to add time TO THE GAME DEVELOPMENT by asking him to add LGBT charters to the game if it’s not about the game? Just why? What would it do?”
Because it makes them happy when people notice that there are people like them or their friends, with all the attendant hopes and dreams. It would show that the game developer in question cares about them.
“Ahhh and there in lies your answer: they are CLOSETED which mean we wouldn’t know which means they are as good as not being in the game. I know they exist, heck even Tokyo had an LGBT Pride parade (which was more respectable and simple compared to what we have in America these days which is…uhh…eww…) but that was like… what… 100 people at best? In New York there are 500-ish people at most. Japan is homogeneous but they are not as “diverse” as America is or even as diverse as how America does it and since this game is BASED on the Japanese culture (pop culture since this is anime) then putting LGBT characters for the sake of it just doesn’t make much sense while is a potential powder keg at worse or would leave a bad taste at best”
Closeted is not the same as non-existent. You could introduce a a situation where one closeted student is embarrassed by attention from the student’s same-sex crush to the story, etc.
The amount of queer people who march in Pride parades regularly is only a fraction of their overall queer population. Even so your numbers are underestimations, 7000 people marched in Tokyo Rainbow Pride 2018 according to the Mainichi. As for New York, Bustle reports that for 2016 Pride, “30,000 people marched in the parade itself. Law enforcement officials expected that there would be around 2.5 million attendees in total, and that more or less comports with CBS News’ reporting, which found that almost 2 million spectators joined the marchers”.
Also once watch out your , “uhh…eww…” can be interpreted as homophobic, which I’m sure wasn’t your intention.
Random, not really relevant fact, did you know there are 300 gay bars in Shinjuku Ni-chōme in Tokyo?
“You wanna argue principle that all good but from a game perspective of which we are discussing here what would it do?”
Give people joy. Isn’t that the point of entertainment?
(P.S. I’m not American, I’m South African)
+Rick Zero
“Once again, I was not referring YandereSim. But if you insist. 1) The game has stereotypes, tropes and meme characters, but not every single character seems to be. 2) Even so, no single person, fictional or real, could be representative of every group they are a part of. But that is a different issue to members of the group appearing. Representation is primarily about visibility, rather than about generalizability. If you want it to be a stereotype why not include tropes from the yaoi or yuri that you mentioned?”
Which makes me wonder why we’re even talking about this since the point is people want LGBT characters in the game just because
“Your math seems a bit off. 3%>1%. Three percent translates to one in every 33 people. As a heads up, one could see your use of the term “normal” rather “typical” as homophobic. And saying it approaches double digits anywhere is an overemphasis. No whole country has double-digits queer identifying people, but if you checked the article I mentioned previously you would have seen Boston, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Seattle and San Francisco all have populations that are more than 10% LGB.”
Which would again need to be cleared if that’s in the cities or in the more rural areas of the country. Considering the “political” culture in the cities know where all the other madness is happening I wouldn’t be surprised of people “identifying” themselves as queer based on their feelings.
“It is my personal opinion that every and all decisions can be seen through a political lens, if one wants to. But more importantly I think that doing nothing and not including groups is in general a statement in itself, it is, in fact taking a side through inaction. But once again I took issue not with the game, but with your view.”
My view that we don’t really need them in the game because that would add unnecessary work to an already hectic schedule for Yandere-Dev and that considering the big picture could result in some political quagmire we don’t need for the game? Like I said I have suggestions too but ultimately unless they are necessary and would benefit the game then we don’t need them.
“Because it makes them happy when people notice that there are people like them or their friends, with all the attendant hopes and dreams. It would show that the game developer in question cares about them.”
They already have a society that caters to them. What more could they want or need at this point? Do they really want to be in a game where a schooolgirl murders her classmates for a boy? I know they have brains and if they’re working right then they sure as hell wouldn’t want to be represented here.
“Closeted is not the same as non-existent. You could introduce a a situation where one closeted student is embarrassed by attention from the student’s same-sex crush to the story, etc.
The amount of queer people who march in Pride parades regularly is only a fraction of their overall queer population. Even so your numbers are underestimations, 7000 people marched in Tokyo Rainbow Pride 2018 according to the Mainichi. As for New York, Bustle reports that for 2016 Pride, “30,000 people marched in the parade itself. Law enforcement officials expected that there would be around 2.5 million attendees in total, and that more or less comports with CBS News’ reporting, which found that almost 2 million spectators joined the marchers”.
Also once watch out your , “uhh…eww…” can be interpreted as homophobic, which I’m sure wasn’t your intention.
Random, not really relevant fact, did you know there are 300 gay bars in Shinjuku Ni-chōme in Tokyo?”
Okay… but why? What would it achieve? What’s the end-goal other then SJW sensibilities? What would it reach other then some political goal? What’s the frekain’ point other then “for the sake of it”?
“Give people joy. Isn’t that the point of entertainment?”
Yes, but not without taking the costs into consideration. Games and entertainment aren’t free
“(P.S. I’m not American, I’m South African)”
Born South African or a South African in America?
@ AlexaneRose
Hi again, been a while, hope your week was good
The 3% rate is overall, both cities and rural. And numbers in that range are very consistent across countries and cultures, sometimes slightly higher, sometimes slightly lower. The peaks in cities are probably (from personal experience) because a) queer people move to cities which have a more tolerant culture and b) it’s more likely for a queer person born in a city to be more open about themselves.
And all you really need to be considered queer is to have some degree of romantic interest in the same sex (or alternatively not be comfortable with your assigned gender if you’re genderqueer, but they are usually counted separately at just under 1%). Love, attraction, comfort, happiness are all feelings after all, so to a certain degree being queer is about feelings in the case of any queer person whether they are completely and utterly gay; or mostly straight, but somewhat bisexual (or genderqueer as mentioned before).
Regarding the game I guess different people have different ideas about what is necessary and ultimately disagreement is inevitable. But I will say that it would probably not take a game developer long to write a bit of text or make a voice-line or two that says a background character has a same-sex crush or romantic partner. It doesn’t have to be a big thing at all.
Some more things to note: Not all queer people want representation everywhere or in a specific place. There is a comment here somewhere from a gay person who doesn’t care about representation in YandereSim specifically. Obviously other queer people would disagree. Individual people have individual opinions. (Also you’re forgetting that not every way of eliminating your rivals involves murdering them.)
Not all societies “cater” to queer people. In the Middle East they’re killed, and they aren’t fond of them at all in most of Africa or Eastern Europe. China likes to pretend they don’t exist by censoring all gay people in media. Even here where I am there are places you definitely don’t go. I have an acquaintance, he was born a girl. One day he and his lesbian friend were violently raped by some old classmates of theirs at a hangout in their community. The classmates were trying to “cure” them.
Representation doesn’t have to have a point, it can be just to make people happy in a world that is big and scary. But if you want a better reason, it helps remind people that queer people are just human beings too. Maybe that isn’t enough of a reason for you. And if you prefer non-politicalness, that’s okay. But are you entirely sure that there will be some kind of massive backlash to the game that will cause it to fail just because a background character likes another of the same sex? Even most homophobes will probably ignore it and keep playing. And I’m sure most of the game’s base isn’t homophobic judging by the comments here and on YouTube.
I was born in South Africa and have lived here my whole life, I’ve never left my country and I’ve never seen America.
+Rick Zero
“Hi again, been a while, hope your week was good”
You too
“The 3% rate is overall, both cities and rural. And numbers in that range are very consistent across countries and cultures, sometimes slightly higher, sometimes slightly lower. The peaks in cities are probably (from personal experience) because a) queer people move to cities which have a more tolerant culture and b) it’s more likely for a queer person born in a city to be more open about themselves.
And all you really need to be considered queer is to have some degree of romantic interest in the same sex (or alternatively not be comfortable with your assigned gender if you’re genderqueer, but they are usually counted separately at just under 1%). Love, attraction, comfort, happiness are all feelings after all, so to a certain degree being queer is about feelings in the case of any queer person whether they are completely and utterly gay; or mostly straight, but somewhat bisexual (or genderqueer as mentioned before).”
Okay so overall they are still a minority spread across the country which are mostly concentrated in the cities that are mostly filled with SJW crap promoting their biologically abberant behavior. Okay it still makes sense.
“Regarding the game I guess different people have different ideas about what is necessary and ultimately disagreement is inevitable. But I will say that it would probably not take a game developer long to write a bit of text or make a voice-line or two that says a background character has a same-sex crush or romantic partner. It doesn’t have to be a big thing at all.”
You see it wouldn’t be a big thing were it not for: a.) the attention to detail Yandere-Dev has and as such he would put a lot of time and effort into this should he choose to do so b.) it WOULD be made a big thing thanks to what I have already previously mentioned c.) there’s a calculable political “risk” we do not need in the game and d.) it wouldn’t really fit the setting.
“Some more things to note: Not all queer people want representation everywhere or in a specific place. There is a comment here somewhere from a gay person who doesn’t care about representation in YandereSim specifically. Obviously other queer people would disagree. Individual people have individual opinions. (Also you’re forgetting that not every way of eliminating your rivals involves murdering them.)”
Okay then WHY DO THEY WANT TO BE IN THE GAME IF NOT TO BE REPRESENTED? And even if they don’t want to be it would be taken as such thanks to the political climate and then we would have the issues that I’ve been talking about.
“Not all societies “cater” to queer people. In the Middle East they’re killed, and they aren’t fond of them at all in most of Africa or Eastern Europe. China likes to pretend they don’t exist by censoring all gay people in media. Even here where I am there are places you definitely don’t go. I have an acquaintance, he was born a girl. One day he and his lesbian friend were violently raped by some old classmates of theirs at a hangout in their community. The classmates were trying to “cure” them.”
I was referring to the West. The societies of the West already cater to them what more could they want? though I’m abou to state something that will ruffle your feathers: from an evolutionary standpoint being LGBT provides no benefit. It promotes a behavior where genes are not transmitted which goes against basic survival principles. It has also become a meme (in the evolutionary sense) in the group (society) of whose propagation if taken to a larger scale would threaten the biological foundation of the species. So when you tell me that the Middle East is killing them and your friend was trying to be cured, though the former is the extreme and the latter is questionable, I expect such behavior and so should you. Moreso when it’s based on a reasonable animalistic/survival reaction. I would only advise more nuance when doing so but know I don’t find it wrong…. at least the latter part.
“Representation doesn’t have to have a point, it can be just to make people happy in a world that is big and scary. But if you want a better reason, it helps remind people that queer people are just human beings too. Maybe that isn’t enough of a reason for you. And if you prefer non-politicalness, that’s okay. But are you entirely sure that there will be some kind of massive backlash to the game that will cause it to fail just because a background character likes another of the same sex? Even most homophobes will probably ignore it and keep playing. And I’m sure most of the game’s base isn’t homophobic judging by the comments here and on YouTube.”
Doing something for the sake of doing something is a poor reason to do something at best and at worst a waste of resources . Heck if you’re arguing we should do this just for the sake of it then the question would lie as to where it would end? I’ll tell you where it won’t and the game would be stuck in development hell. It’s already on along off schedule we don’t need more time for a minor feature for a minority that wouldn’t even make sense in the context. As for the backlash: you live in South Africa correct? Well you don’t know what it’s like in America these days. Even one whiff of something political could be a powder keg. Have you seen the news lately? It’s mess and we don’t need that kind of risk anywhere near this game. It’s not being homophobic, it’s reasonable people asking a reasonable question as to the reason of why we should add LGBT characters here when it and every other social issue is being rammed down our throats on a daily basis in everything we see.
“I was born in South Africa and have lived here my whole life, I’ve never left my country and I’ve never seen America.”
Close to the coast or deep in-land?
Though before continuing on this discussion of principle you have to answer this fundamental question: In an anime game about a killer eliminating rivals to get what she wants, where does LGBT characters fit in mechanically, thematically, sensibly, narratively, or gameplay-er wise?
@Alexane Rose
Hello again
“Though before continuing on this discussion of principle you have to answer this fundamental question: In an anime game about a killer eliminating rivals to get what she wants, where does LGBT characters fit in mechanically, thematically, sensibly, narratively, or gameplay-er wise?”
As background characters (a small Easter egg if you will), maybe with a side-quest of playing matchmaker that yields some reward for doing it, currency or a rare, useful item.
“Okay so overall they are still a minority spread across the country…”
Due to the mechanics of being LGBT, they’ll always be minority. My only point there was to indicate that your one in a thousand estimate was way lower than reality.
“You see it wouldn’t be a big thing were it not for: a.) the attention to detail Yandere-Dev has and as such he would put a lot of time and effort into this should he choose to do so b.) it WOULD be made a big thing thanks to what I have already previously mentioned c.) there’s a calculable political “risk” we do not need in the game and d.) it wouldn’t really fit the setting.”
a) You seem to be able to read Yanderedev’s mind. I read somewhere that he tweeted that if he did include LGBT characters, it wouldn’t be a big thing. b) you seem certain, I am not. c) There was calculable political risk to lots of things in the game, from pantyshots to visible blood, to an American developing a game set in fictionalised Japan, to making the female characters show cleavage. I personally just don’t think we’re approaching an event horizon beyond which an angry mob will sprout out of the ground and cause the game to flop completely. d) Subjective.
“Okay then WHY DO THEY WANT TO BE IN THE GAME IF NOT TO BE REPRESENTED? And even if they don’t want to be it would be taken as such thanks to the political climate and then we would have the issues that I’ve been talking about.”
I was talking about a gay person who didn’t care if there were gay people in the game.
“I was referring to the West. The societies of the West already cater to them what more could they want?”
Not to have to worry about being beaten up or bullied and also for other countries to move towards tolerance
“though I’m abou to state something that will ruffle your feathers: from an evolutionary standpoint being LGBT provides no benefit. It promotes a behavior where genes are not transmitted which goes against basic survival principles. It has also become a meme (in the evolutionary sense) in the group (society) of whose propagation if taken to a larger scale would threaten the biological foundation of the species.”
You view is too common to surprise me, I bump into it all the time. But from my university studies in genetics and my observation of queer people I think this opinion is fractally wrong (wrong from multiple angles).
First you are bordering on committing the is-ought philosophical fallacy; conflating nature with morality. Murdering other people and taking their resources for your offspring is good ‘evolutionary practice’, which is why lion males kill the cubs of their predecessor when they take over a tribe. Yet we (hopefully) all recognize murder and genocide is immoral. At the opposite end adopting someone that is not related to you is ‘bad evolutionary practice’. You’re expending resources to someone that will not pass on your genes. Yet we honor adoption as a high moral deed. Morality shouldn’t be based on evolutionary sense it should be based on love (that is to say altruism that extends beyond the confines of genes). There is a reason nazism is called a type of social darwinism.
Secondly you are treating the species/societies as the basic evolutionary unit. It is not. Evolution happens mostly on the level of individuals and the genes within them, not species as a whole. Individuals can band together into packs or herds, but this is a specific strategy, i.e. safety in numbers or cooperation under unfavorable circumstances (the ‘objective’ is still the passing on of individual’s genes) that is rare. A brown bear doesn’t care what other brown bears in its area do, the genes within the brown bear actually ‘hope’ it’s rivals stop reproducing so that it can gain an advantage and exist in more copies in the next generation.
Thirdly species will happily evolve towards extinction. An example is some types of cycad (they’re a native plant over here that look a bit like short fat palm trees) Some species of these trees evolved mutually with a type of insect so that only that insect will be able to pollinate it. The insect went extinct. Now the trees have no pollinator and will go extinct without human intervention. They have evolved themselves into a corner from which they cannot escape. Evolution doesn’t plan or consider what-ifs.
Fourthly you are treating being LGBT as meme/idea rather than a trait that arises due to a combination of genetic predisposition, epigenetic markers (modifications on the DNA itself), prenatal hormones and random luck (the same as left-handedness). The former (a meme) can achieve universality in a population, the latter cannot. LGBT people will always be a minority. There will always be straight people.
Fifthly you are ignoring bisexual people, who mate with both sexes.
Sixth gays and lesbians have biological children anyway, via surrogacy, artificial insemination or reproduction pacts. Humans understand the link between sex and reproduction and can separate the two. If the entire world was just gays and lesbians, humans wouldn’t go extinct because the gays and lesbians would just reproduce with each other.
Seventh you are assuming being gay has no evolutionary advantage because their own genes don’t get passed on (which I’ve already talked about). But it’s about the genes first and foremost, if a gay person can contribute to their genes being passed down from a relative then it can definitely have a reproductive advantage.Hamilton’s rule states that if rB>C then it would be better ‘evolutionary sense’ to help your family than have your own children, where r is relatedness between you and the relative, B is the benefit of your relatives reproducing, C the is the cost to you not reproducing. We can see this in honey bee nests or even naked-mole rats where only one individual in a colony needs to reproduce.
a) They gay-uncle hypothesis, whereby a gay person that helps their sibling pass their genes down actually benefits more than if they had their own children.
b) The hypothesis where there is gene that if women possess they have high reproduction, in men the gene may cause gayness, but the genes within the family break-even or even have an advantage. Makes sense seeing as their seems to be an allele somewhere on the X-chromosome that increases a man’s chances to be gay. A study on the family of Fa’afafine found this a while back.
c) The birth order hypothesis where younger children have a higher chance to be gay to prevent the family’s habitat from being over-populated and suffering a tragedy of the commons collapse. Some studies support this hypothesis, some don’t, consensus hasn’t quite developed yet.
Not related to this rule, Richard Dawkins, the evolutionary biologist who coined the term meme, apparently at one point hypothesized the idea of bisexual men having had an advantage because they can pretend to be gay and then mate reproductively when no-one is looking, with full gay people as a side-effect. Though that’s from a video on youtube i watched a long time ago, might have been another old evo biologist and I’m just remembering incorrectly.
“So when you tell me that the Middle East is killing them and your friend was trying to be cured, though the former is the extreme and the latter is questionable, I expect such behavior and so should you. Moreso when it’s based on a reasonable animalistic/survival reaction. I would only advise more nuance when doing so but know I don’t find it wrong…. at least the latter part.”
My acquintance wasn’t trying to be ‘cured’, he was minding his own business when he was raped for being trans and his friend for being a lesbian. The attackers were using trying to ‘cure’ them as a a reason for the rape.
Also you are assuming it was always this way where gay people were persecuted, which likely isn’t correct. The spread of ideologies such as fundamentalist versions of the Abrahamic religions and older types of communism could have brought this about. The ancient near East used to have more tolerant views, some African tribes had special traditions regarding gays and lesbians and China used to have a god of gayness, Hu Tianbao a.k.a. Tu’er Shen.
“Doing something for the sake of doing something is a poor reason to do something at best and at worst a waste of resources . Heck if you’re arguing we should do this just for the sake of it then the question would lie as to where it would end? I’ll tell you where it won’t and the game would be stuck in development hell. It’s already on along off schedule we don’t need more time for a minor feature for a minority that wouldn’t even make sense in the context. As for the backlash: you live in South Africa correct? Well you don’t know what it’s like in America these days. Even one whiff of something political could be a powder keg. Have you seen the news lately? It’s mess and we don’t need that kind of risk anywhere near this game. It’s not being homophobic, it’s reasonable people asking a reasonable question as to the reason of why we should add LGBT characters here when it and every other social issue is being rammed down our throats on a daily basis in everything we see.”
Look I think your bright, but maybe this is just a view you can’t comprehend unless you care deeply about LGBT people. Adding gay characters is not the same as adding a jet pack in terms of triviality and what it would mean to the people who want it.
Don’t underestimate my knowledge of America, your media gets everywhere, for better and worse. But maybe you’re right, and I can’t understand your political dynamic. But America simply isn’t the only place on Earth.
But I also suspect you feel like it’s being ‘rammed down your throat’ only because you are already mildly opposed to it
“Close to the coast or deep in-land?”
My mother’s side lived in the Western Cape, my fathers side is from the Free-State, I grew up in North West and currently live in Gauteng. For the sake of internet anonymity I don’t feel like I should say more about me personally.
yAAASSS
He has talked about this somewhere before. In Japanese highschools, students usually don’t come out of the closet until after graduation. So, it would be more realistic to have no obviously LGBT characters. That is if you play as Yan-chan with Senpai-kun.
1) Those are sexualities not genders.
2) YandereDev said that if he ever added the option for Senpai to be Female, then YandereChan and Fem!Senpai would be Lesbian and all the Rivals would be Bisexual, because their “suitors” for the matchmaking scheme would still remain Male. So, in the case of Senpai being Female, Yan-Chan and Senpai would be Lesbian, the Rivals would be Bisexual, and their suitors, I would assume, would be Straight. I’m not sure how it would work if Yandere-Kun were ever fully implemented, though. The Rivals would probably still be Female, and therefore Bisexual, but this hasn’t been confirmed yet. The Male Rival Introduction Video was an April Fool’s prank, and therefore are highly unlikely to actually become canon, even in the event of Yan-Kun being implemented. Having Male equivalents to all the Rivals would require much more time, effort, and money to add, because of the models, animations, coding, and of course the voice acting that would have to be done. At this point in the development, when money is tight and the Kickstarter is the shining beacon of hope for the game, it isn’t likely that such major features would be implemented soon, if at all.
So, in short, if Fem!Senpai is ever added, then yes, Yan-Chan and Fem!Senpai would be Lesbian, and the Rivals would be Bisexual. This is the only semi-confirmed addition of other sexualities thus far, and even this may not be added, despite the fact that the Create-A-Senpai screen has this (unimplemented) option. Really, at this point, nothing as big as that can be confirmed nor denied, because a lot of these features would depend on the funds raised from the Kickstarter, which won’t happen until Osana is added, and THAT won’t happen until the Photography Club and other important gameplay features are fully implemented. It MAY happen, but it also may not. Again, it depends on the funding and the support from the fanbase.
Hope this helped.
+ Kayo-Chan Kayotime
Now hold on. Yes they were pranks but he could’ve also gauged how much the fan-base wanted it and from what I can tell we all said YAAAAAAASSSSSS!!!! so taking that into consideration for when making the kickstarter wouldn’t be a stretch.
Though I argue that just making them bisexual would seem…. just cheap you know? Yandere-sim is narrative heavy and just throwing bisexual characters in there or LGBT charcters just for the sake would just be really out of place. It would be seen as a just-to-appeal-to-the-sjw’s kinda thing. That and with the current political climate well let’s just say better take no unnecessary chances.
If he’s gonna make female senpai a thing then might as well go full on and go with the Persona 3 route. That game doubled it’s narrative time, doubled game quality, and elevated an already good game into a great one all without the gender politics. Plus I really want Yandere-kun and bishie rivals sooo………yeah XD
That and come on, how many guy-stalking-girl games do we have out in the market? This could be a first so why miss the opportunity for identity politics?
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True, these aren’t genders. But I’d be happy to see some gay (with gay I mean all non-straight sexualities here) characters in it. Like two male members of a club being a couple. It wouldn’t really change anything in the game. And you don’t even need to have other characters react to it. But it’d be cool for the Yaoi- and Yurifans and gay people to have gay characters. I’d be really happy if it’d just have one BoyXBoy and one GirlXGirl couple.
+NowiFate Gangrel Lowell (The Mad King)
It would make me happy too if he added the features I’m asking for but we both have to ask: are they absolutely necessary to the game , what would they add, what are the costs and benefits. Honestly both what I and you (plus some people) ask wouldn’t do much other then take up necessary time.Oh well, let’s see how the kickstarter goes
He might do, but I doubt they’ll play a big part in the game. P.S: Gay and Lesbian are sexualities. 🙂
Not as an own option I think, but you deffinetly will be able to play as a female character with a female senpai or the other way arround. But i dont know about transgenders…
Senpai has the possibility of being female, which would make Ayano a lesbian and Senpai and the rivals pan or bisexual [in that reality of the game]. But if you’re talking about NPCs, there’s really no need for it. It wouldn’t do anything for gameplay or story. The only effect I could see it having would be if there was a task for one of them geared towards it.
well, if you’ll choose fempai all rivals and Ayano will be les xd
Yandere dev has in fact mentioned that there will not be any LGBTQ+ characters in Yandere simulator. His reasoning for this is that in most Japanese high schools students don’t come out until they graduate. I don’t even really understand what difference an LGBTQ+ character would make to the game, although I am in no way against it.
1. Open YandereSimulator_Data.
2. Open StreamingAssets.
3. Open JSON.
4. Open Students.
5. Change a male student’s “Crush”:”arandomnumberthatneedstobechanged” into another male student’s ID
Now you have your own LGBT students *ba dum tss*.
+The God Jihyo
Simple, practical, and get’s the job done. I like it. Too bad we have to kill you Osana
There are already. According to Yandere dev they are there but however like high school in general most lgbt students are closeted
yandere dev what is next on your list..
plss bee osana…
Stop, fuc
Somewhere in recent history, he said that the Next Goals are Science Club and photography Club.
Osana won’t be out until every game mechanic, that yandere dev can do as the only programmer will be done. So, all Clubs are functional, more students are in the game, certain textures have Upgrades (like the outside of the bathhouse, or the Sports hall), guidance councelor is finished…
In one of his videos, he gave a list of things that need to be implemented/taken care of before working on Osana. You could screenshot it like I did, and cross them off as he completes them. That way, you don’t have to annoy him by asking, and you’ll still get your answer!
Hey yander dev i can get the new bulild
1.) Those aren’t genders
2.) It wouldn’t fit the narrative
3.) Since this is a game with anime tropes and such tropes aren’t that widespread
4.) Adding such would add extra work for very little gain since those kinds of people are a very small minority
5.) Yandere Simulator does not need the controversy surrounding that considering the current cllimate
6.) He has already stated that he wouldn’t do it for various reasons
7.) Just….. why? What would it add to the game?
8.) If you really want a different perspective I say he goes for the Persona 3 approach of making a narrative completely from Yandere-kuns side. It would be more work true but unlike point #4 it would add a whole lot more value to the game. Here’s hoping he’s a stretch goal and that we make it since he’s kinda hot 🙂
9.) Like many things suggested before it just doesn’t seem necessary. Take it from me I’ve been suggesting writing things on the wall with blood as an alternative to cleaning it up and giving a slight chance for NPC’s to survive Yandere-chans attacks as an added difficulty feature but such wouldn’t really be necessary per se to the game
Conclusion: We don’t need it, it wouldn’t do much, and the return for the game is little while the “risk” is greater
IGNORE THIS REPLY. THE SITE IS JUST BEING WONKY
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DIDN’T SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ANYTHIHNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Insert penguin hand motions here)
Can we just appreciate how adorable this picture this? I want those dolls now.
at first, I though Osona was holding a shotgun up to yandere-chan’s head
Hey YanDev , i got a wustion regarding to the Updated Bancho Mode .. ?
What reference is it from ?
Lmao at all the salty comments. If the dev chooses to add bi/gay/transgender characters, that’s HIS choice. I mean, what are you going to do? Track him down and put a gun to his head and make him design it in your favor? If it’s that much of a problem, then mod the game to your liking on its official release or simply don’t play it at all. No one said you had to play it. That aside, whatever you choose to go with dev, I support you one hundred percent and look forward to the next builds and final product. Keep it going!
+The Southern Gamer
It would make more sense as a mod since that would mean the game is finished and is so good people are fiddling with it the way they want to like with Skyrim. Until then focus on getting the game out first
I hope the save picture thing is finally fixed. I get it working right when I play the game, but then if I restart my game and play again, it doesn’t work. It keeps showing pictures that I did not take and save to the phone.
Ok this is honestly really lame Why can’t these changes just be in the major build instead of another time wasting build
It doesn’t take up very much time to export a new build and upload it.
I’ll give you a little bit of insight. Every time I fix a bug, I know that people will continue finding the bug and reporting it until I’ve uploaded a new build where that bug is fixed. It’s a little bit sad to imagine people taking the time to report a bug when I’ve already fixed it, so I feel compelled to upload new builds whenever I’ve fixed a significant number of bugs, to reduce the chances of people wasting their time by reporting bugs that have already been fixed.
In any event, fixing bugs doesn’t somehow hurt the next major update. All bugs need to get fixed eventually, so it doesn’t matter if they get fixed before or after the next major update; either way, the outcome is the same. Bug-fixing builds do not subtract from my total amount of development time.
Sorry I just think instead of uploading bug fixing builds every day I would make more sense to add that along with the newest build I see that these changes are necessary
Where it wouldnt be possible
The WHERE It wouldnt be possible BugFixing Update
hey yanderedev are you ever gonna add more things to the science club?
he already stated he is
Yandere dev when will you re-add the help feature on Kokona, when you give her a letter and ask her to meet you on the rooftop? For even ever i do so the only option that appears is Push in my case i wanted to kidnap Musume and video record her to stop the loan sharks. When will this feature be possible once again?
The offer help option for Kokona on the roof is gone again also.
The final bug fixing build? No more big fixes for tomorrow?
how long until osana update
Watch his video about the rejection elimination method. Near the end, he explains that he wants to finish all of the game mechanics before he works on Osana and rivals, to make eliminating Osana as fun and rewarding of an experience as possible.
On fun girl I like that but you might have been magami
i cant get the new bulild
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soy lesbiana me gustaria si senpai cambiaria el genero y olvidaremos a este hombre para siempre
You can do it!
Solo única que odio es heteros y bis😰😤me da asco hiiu
hm,,
There is a bug that you just enter the office where the director is, this instead of shooting at Yandere Chan when he gets too close, he just shoots him in. Can you correct it?
yandere dev! I have a question, when the full version of the game released,will it still be free or not?
If you see the FAQ on the official website you will see the answer, it gives info about the release date and
specially. The Price
Just to add, isn’t it clear Yagami and Ayano are sisters? Anyone else notice that?
Notice how most of the comments are about the lgbtqia in yandere sim.
I heard Laural what did you hear?